100baseT cards for SS10
2007-12-25 10:01:00
Six days ago I have asked some questions:
1) Are there any 100baseT cards for SS10 machines?
2) Anyone got any first hand experience with them?
3) Would it be better/easier/cheaper to go via the switched 10baseT route?
The answers:
1) Yes. There are two products. One is a single 100baseT card. The other
is a wide-scsi and 100baseT card (sunswift, part name X1018A).
2) Yes. They work fine.
3) Depends on the network, but consesus seems to be go via switched
100baseT if you can afford it.
Many thanks for the answers to all the people who have replied to my
original message.
From: Steve Phelps <steve@epic.co.uk>
From: john@starinc.com (John Malick)
From: pete@physchem.ox.ac.uk (Pete Biggs)
From: fallan@awadi.com.au (Frank Allan - Network Manager)
From: js@cctechnol.com
From: jeffm@iglou.com (Jeff Mcadams)
From: Bruce Cheng <cheng@sdsp.mc.xerox.com>
From: amy.hollander@amp.com (Amy Hollander)
From: Tony Jago <tony@fit.qut.edu.au>
From: Glenn.Satchell@Uniq.com.au (Glenn Satchell - Uniq Professional Services)
From: Ben Hardiman <benh@accv.org.au>
Finally, full answers are appened at the bottom of the message.
--Nino
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Nino Margetic <nino@well.ox.ac.uk>
The Wellcome Trust Centre for Human Genetics, University of Oxford.
Tel: +44 1865 740 005 Fax: +44 1865 742 196
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 96 12:11 BST
From: Steve Phelps <steve@epic.co.uk>
Subject: Re: 100baseT cards for SS10
At 09:03 AM 4/18/96 +0100, you wrote:
>Dear all,
>
>Some questions:
>
>1) Are there any 100baseT cards for SS10 machines?
yes. There is the be interface and the hme (SunSwift) card.
The Sunswift card combines Wide Scsi and fast ethernet on the same card.
These are both available from SunExpress.
>2) Anyone got any first hand experience with them?
yes.
>3) Would it be better/easier/cheaper to go via the switched 10baseT route?
This drastically depends on your setup. What is often ideal is to have
a 12xn port 10BASE-T switch with a 100BASE-T uplink to a fast server.
3Com produce such a switch. I think it is called the LinkSwitch 2000,
and costs around 3,000 sterling.
We currently have switched 100BASE-T which is v. effective but is
also quite expensive (32k sterling for the switches) and might be overkill
for your needs.
If you do go for 100BASE-T without switching it is still advisable to
segment (subnet) as much as possible, and not put more than 12 nodes per
segment. If you find yourself putting way more than 12 nodes per segment
and can't subnet then you should consider 10BASE-T switching or routing,
or if you can afford it 100BASE-T switching.
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 07:56:01 -0400
From: john@starinc.com (John Malick)
Subject: Re: 100baseT cards for SS10
> Some questions:
>
> 1) Are there any 100baseT cards for SS10 machines?
Sun sells a SunSwift card, # x1018a, it is both a 100baseT and fast-wide all in
one s-bus card.
> 2) Anyone got any first hand experience with them?
I have used them frequently and they work fine.
> 3) Would it be better/easier/cheaper to go via the switched 10baseT route?
It really depends on your overall traffic on your net. Even though 100baseT is
faster, its still ethernet which is bogged down quite easily with just 20-30%
network utilization. Using switched 10baseT or even switched 100baseT would
allow for that direct client to server connectivity thus reducing the
utilization and allow ethernet to work efficiently.
If you are going switched, I would suggest switched 100baseT to your servers at
least and then switched 10baseT to your clients. There are several vendors
providing concentrators with both 100baseT and 10baseT ports in one unit.
good luck
john@starinc.com
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 96 14:13:56 BST
From: pete@physchem.ox.ac.uk (Pete Biggs)
Subject: Re: 100baseT cards for SS10
>
>1) Are there any 100baseT cards for SS10 machines?
Yes:
SunFast Ethernet Card: X1050A/CC UKL 990/A
Don't know about the rest - sorry :(
>2) Anyone got any first hand experience with them?
>3) Would it be better/easier/cheaper to go via the switched 10baseT route?
>
Pete
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From: fallan@awadi.com.au (Frank Allan - Network Manager)
Subject: Re: 100baseT cards for SS10
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 23:52:14 +0930 (CST)
Nino
we are using the Sun SWIFT card which provides both 100Mbs ethernet and
20MB Fast/Wide SCSI interface on the one S-BUS card.
Very reasonably priced - about the same price as the Fast/Wide interface
on its own, and works quite well.
It will also operate at 10Mbs if required.
cheers
Frank
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 96 09:23 CDT
Subject: Re: 100baseT cards for SS10
From: js@cctechnol.com
>>> "nm" == Nino Margetic <nino@well.ox.ac.uk> writes:
nm> 1) Are there any 100baseT cards for SS10 machines?
Yes, sun sells one they call it a SunFast Ethernet Adapter.
Sun part number X1056A, I think.
nm> 2) Anyone got any first hand experience with them?
We've got 6 of them, soon to be 7. They work fine for us. There is a
patch for Solaris 2.[45] for a memory leak in the device driver. It
also includes a CD-ROM with 4.1.x drivers.
nm> 3) Would it be better/easier/cheaper to go via the switched 10baseT route?
I don't know.
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From: jeffm@iglou.com (Jeff Mcadams)
Subject: Re: 100baseT cards for SS10
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 10:51:59 -0400 (EDT)
Thus spake Nino Margetic
>1) Are there any 100baseT cards for SS10 machines?
>2) Anyone got any first hand experience with them?
Yes, there are 100baseT SBus cards. We're using 3 (but running them at
10 Mbps right now).
>3) Would it be better/easier/cheaper to go via the switched 10baseT route?
Mostly depends on your network traffic. If all of these machines are
basically funnelling data out one router, then you will either need full
100baseT on the whole network, or a switched hub that has a 100baseT
connection to the router. (all your hosts are connected via switched
10, and the router or server as your needs may be, has a 100 Mbps
connection)
--
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 08:39:53 PDT
From: Bruce Cheng <cheng@sdsp.mc.xerox.com>
Subject: Re: 100baseT cards for SS10
Nino Margetic wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> Some questions:
>
> 1) Are there any 100baseT cards for SS10 machines?
Yes. sun sells one.
It's not *too* expensive.
> 2) Anyone got any first hand experience with them?
Not yet. But I am not aware of much alternative.
> 3) Would it be better/easier/cheaper to go via the switched 10baseT route?
Depend on your network.
I'll start with a switching up regardless of what route you pick.
3com sells a 10 meg switching up with a 100 meg pipe for one file
server. It's called linkswitch 1000, got great reviews everywhere.
It's cheap also. But beaware of the size of your network. There
is a limit of how many mac address each switch can support.
If money is no object and you are not bound to many legacy switches,
check out baynetworks' 2118 (something like that) - it's a 10/100
switch. 16 ports for around $14k
Hope this helps.
-Bruce
ps* 3com, Bay, Cisco all have nice white papers about 10-100mbps
transition recommendations. Also, 10mbps switch network still run
10mbps. If the problem is file transfer speed or nfs bottleneck,
you'll definitely need to run 100mbps.
>
> TIA.
>
> --
> Nino Margetic <nino@well.ox.ac.uk>
> The Wellcome Trust Centre for Human Genetics, University of Oxford.
> Tel: +44 1865 740 005 Fax: +44 1865 742 196
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 14:29:37 -0400
From: amy.hollander@amp.com (Amy Hollander)
Subject: Re: 100baseT cards for SS10
We got fddi cards for our suns they work great
AMy.Hollander@amp.com
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 10:21:36 +1000 (EST)
From: Tony Jago <tony@fit.qut.edu.au>
Subject: Re: 100baseT cards for SS10
On Thu, 18 Apr 1996, Nino Margetic wrote:
> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 09:03:32 +0100
> From: Nino Margetic <nino@well.ox.ac.uk>
> To: sun-managers@eecs.nwu.edu
> Subject: 100baseT cards for SS10
> Followup-To: junk
>
> Dear all,
>
> Some questions:
>
> 1) Are there any 100baseT cards for SS10 machines?
> 2) Anyone got any first hand experience with them?
> 3) Would it be better/easier/cheaper to go via the switched 10baseT route?
>
> TIA.
>
> --
> Nino Margetic <nino@well.ox.ac.uk>
> The Wellcome Trust Centre for Human Genetics, University of Oxford.
> Tel: +44 1865 740 005 Fax: +44 1865 742 196
> ---
>
We use a SunSwift SBus Adapter in a SS10. Its working great.
# uptime
10:11am up 7 day(s), 1:39, 35 users, load average: 0.95, 0.71, 0.60
# netstat -i
Name Mtu Net/Dest Address Ipkts Ierrs Opkts Oerrs Collis
lo0 8232 loopback localhost 2953104 0 2953104 0 0
hme0 1500 studpc-1 droid 15018681 0 9155356 0 0
le1 1500 student droid 21173494 0 20869911 17 512900
qe2 1500 xterm-1 droid 14171372 64 9949264 1 427264
qe3 1500 xterm-2 droid 12565611 0 9331910 1 337920
This card also has a Fast Wide SCSI-2 interface on it as well. It can run
a 10 or 100 full or half duplex. I have never seen it report a collision.
We also have another one of these in a Sparc Ultra Server 170E also
working fine (after installing the patches that come with the card on a
CD :)
We use it on a 100M switched network. I would suggest you have a look at
the 3com Link Switch 1000 to plug your box into. It has 26 switched
ports, 1 at 100M, 24 at 10M and 1 expantion slot on the back that can
take a fiber module etc. We have found them cheep and fast. You don't
need to buy any fancy software to run on a managment box to configure
them.
If you have any further question please contact me. Hope this all helps.
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Faculty of Information Technology, Web: http://www.fit.qut.edu.au/staff/~tony
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Phone: +61 7 3864-2573 Fax: +61 7 3864-1959
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 10:44:34 +1000
From: Glenn.Satchell@Uniq.com.au (Glenn Satchell - Uniq Professional Services)
Subject: Re: 100baseT cards for SS10
Sun has the SunSwift: Fast Buffered SCSI with 10/100 MB Ethernet port.
Includes driver for Solaris 2.4; Solaris 2.5 includes the driver in the
OS. Should work fine with the SS10.
regards,
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> From sun-managers-request@uniq.com.au Fri Apr 19 06:23 EST 1996
> From: Nino Margetic <nino@well.ox.ac.uk>
> Reply-To: Nino Margetic <nino@well.ox.ac.uk>
> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 09:03:32 +0100
> Organization: Wellcome Human Genetics Centre - University of Oxford
> To: sun-managers@eecs.nwu.edu
> Subject: 100baseT cards for SS10
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> Dear all,
>
> Some questions:
>
> 1) Are there any 100baseT cards for SS10 machines?
> 2) Anyone got any first hand experience with them?
> 3) Would it be better/easier/cheaper to go via the switched 10baseT route?
>
> TIA.
>
> --
> Nino Margetic <nino@well.ox.ac.uk>
> The Wellcome Trust Centre for Human Genetics, University of Oxford.
> Tel: +44 1865 740 005 Fax: +44 1865 742 196
> ---
>
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 14:47:59 +1000
From: Ben Hardiman <benh@accv.org.au>
Subject: Re: 100baseT cards for SS10
Hi Nino
I have 2 Sun Sparc 10/30 currently with standard 10baseT cards in them.
I have taken delivery of a SunFastEthernet Adaptor 2.0 100BaseT card for
each machine. Instructions & documentation seem ok - I expect to have them
installed in a couple of weeks. I will let you know how it goes.
Ben
At 09:03 AM 4/18/96 +0100, you wrote:
>Dear all,
>
>Some questions:
>
>1) Are there any 100baseT cards for SS10 machines?
>2) Anyone got any first hand experience with them?
>3) Would it be better/easier/cheaper to go via the switched 10baseT route?
>
>TIA.
>
>--
>Nino Margetic <nino@well.ox.ac.uk>
>The Wellcome Trust Centre for Human Genetics, University of Oxford.
>Tel: +44 1865 740 005 Fax: +44 1865 742 196
>---
>
>
Ben Hardiman
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Phone : +61 3 9279 1126
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E-Mail : benh@accv.org.au
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